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Feb
18
2014

CC is changing... a lot -- by Jon Bjarnason

Hello boys and girls.

In my two previous blogs, with the catchy titles "The changing face of CC - basic layout" and "The changing face of CC - Story view" I discussed with you some of the things that I wanted to change about the look and feel of our beloved Critique Circle website.

Today I can announce with great gusto that I've completed some of the work in bringing the site up to the 20th century (I'll look into the 21st century next year) and I would very much like to invite you to take a look at the results, which are available in a special web address just for the occasion:

beta.critiquecircle.com

You can now start to use this website freely and give me your thought on the changes. The beta site is connected to the same DB as the normal CC site so you should be able to use it just like you use CC. Since this is a different website instance however there might be some caching issues if you are using the normal website and the beta website together. Just something to be aware of before you start filing those bug reports.

What you will see on the beta site is the way CC will look like in a few weeks time. If you have a problem with it, let me know so that we can discuss it. smiley

I got very good feedback from my last two blogs and I have incorporated a lot of it into the redesign. With your help we'll make CC even better after this round.

I will now briefly go through some of the highlights that you will encounter on the beta website

Radically changed layout

The first thing you'll notice on the beta is that the site is laid out very differently than it was before. First off, the main menu is now at the top and I have centered the content area and limited its width to be at most 1040 pixels.

Furthermore, I have using some responsive tricks to make the site look good on tablet and phone screens (I still have some work to do in order to make it better on phones).

When you look up stories you will notice that the action menu for the story is on the righthand side when you have enough horizontal room but then turns into a dropdown menu if you have a smaller horizontal real estate to work with. This works very well on tablets and I think you'll find that reading and even critting on your ipad is pretty darn comfortable.

The main menu at the top of the page will open up when you hover over it (or click it on tablets) and you will need to find your page from the submenu. There are no top-level links to the content pages like before. I hope this will not piss people off too much, and I think it's something that you will easily get used to. Let me know if you think this is completely unacceptable.

Because of the way that CC was originally written, 10+ years ago the work that went into changing the layout around was insane, and I'm sure there are some bits where some window is too wide or some input window is too narrow. Let me know about this stuff and I'll fix them up as we go.

New Logo

CC hasn't really had a logo up until now and with the redesign I felt we really needed a new, clean logo to match the new style of the site. One of our members, Agier sent me some fantastic logo design ideas and we came up with the logo that you see at the top of this blog. Thank you very much Agier!

I've put this logo into the site's favicon and I will incorporate it into other material from CC as well. I hope you guys like it as much as I do. It's a quill you see.. Because we're writers... Get it? cheeky

Different style

The overall style of the site is now cleaner than it was before and I am using a larger font in most places. You will notice more buttons rather than links and more gradient backgrounds.

You will notice that all the menus look different now. There should be more consistency throughout the buttons and menus now and they should look a bit less look-what-I-did-in-my-HTML-nightclass'y.

I removed the site-wide customization options. CC will now look the same for everyone. This was done in order to ensure a consistent look-and-feel. I'm not sure if I will introduce these sort of customization options at a later date, but I do intend to allow you to customize your story view.

Notification Center

In the top-right corner of all pages is your new notification center. There you can see new messages, new forum posts and other notifications. Clicking on those will give you a drop-down list with the new content.

The forum post notification button behaves similarly to the old 'threads have changed' link, but in addition to showing you changed threads the drop-down will also give you a list of the latest changed threads that you have participated in. We also have the same feature for other content up there. I personally think this will be very useful as a way to quickly get into the threads, messages or crits that you are interested in.

I will be working on this part some more before release and I'm hoping to be able to do some pretty cool things with the 'catchall' notification icon on the left-most side. Now it tells you about new crits and whether you have a story up for review in the public queues, as well as give you access to the online member list, but in the future this might be your interface to a general notification view telling you about new things that you might be interested in.

I think the notification center is really really cool (unbiased view). 

Page Bookmarks

The in-site bookmarks are now to the left of the main menu above the content and I've rewritten those to be more user-friendly. I don't know how many people are using them (hopefully many), but the new bookmarks should be a very good usability enhancement.

Are you using the in-site bookmarks? No other website has this feature and I'm wondering if it's something that's just weird (even though I use them a lot).

Story View Changes

I've made quite a bit of stylistic changes to the story and crit view, making it a lot cleaner. I told you about the new menu schema already, moving it from the top of the page to the side, but I've also removed the reading view, and kind of taken the best parts of the reading view and meshed it into the main story view.

Since this is the essence of CC I would very much appreciate feedback on these changed. I think the story view and the crit view looks and behaves much better than before but I'm not actively critting, so please give it a whirl and tell me what you think.

I was going to go in a different direction here, and have reading view the default view but based on member feedback I decided against it. It turns out the ability to page through stories wasn't something people were interested in, so out you go. Valuable feedback right there, keep it coming! smiley

Although not in there yet, I do intend to add customization options to the story and crit view, such as font changes, background color, text size, etc.

Tablet-friendly

The entire site should be quite tablet friendly now. I think it's more desktop-friendly as well, but you should definitely feel a significant difference on tablets, since it wasn't very nice on those at all.

Please let me know of any bugs or weirdnesses you encounter when using touch devices. There are a few bits and bobs that I am yet to implement for mobile devices but it should be mostly done.

Work yet-to-be-done

My Trello board is full of things I need to work on before I can unleash the rewrite out into the wild. Here is a partial list of things stuff that needs to be done:

  • Add more items to the right-menu in stories such as novel features
  • Change hover links to be click-to-hover for touch screen devices
  • Make the main page column layout responsive
  • Add right-menus to crits and member pages
  • Fix layouting bugs in notebook and outlining workshop
  • Add row-clicking to some of the tables for easy access on touch screen devices
  • Story view customization options

When will this go live?

I don't have a set date for pushing the changes to the live website. Basically, I'll do it when we're happy with it and the velocity of bug reports (which you are all going to be writing ;-)) has become low enough.

What's on beta.critiquecircle.com right now might not necessarily be exactly what will be released, but it's a fair assumption it won't be too far from it.

You should be able to watch the progress on the beta site up until the point I release it, so if you are really interested in the progress there should not be any surprises.

If you start using the beta site now the changes are as good as live for you immediately, so if you are feeling anxious for the new stuff, just change your cc bookmark and off you go. Keep in mind however that you might encounter links from time to time, for example from people on the forums to pages on CC which will take you back to the main site. In those cases you'll need to just change the address manually to beta.critiquecircle.com, no biggie.

Feedback

The latest version of the rewrite will be on beta.critiquecircle.com and it might be unstable when I'm working on it. If you encounter issues just switch back to the normal website but please let me know, either on the thread for this blog, with a message or just with the Report Bug link at the bottom of the page. Just be ready for bugs and errors on the beta site, especially if you see me online. 

While I'm hoping everyone will love the changes I'm aware that people have different tastes and different needs. If you have issues with these changes I would urge you to speak up here on the thread. It's much better that I know now if something is horrible rather than in a few weeks when I open it up for everyone.

So, go test this stuff out. I hope you guys like it. If you love it, let me know. If you hate it... well, I suppose you should let me know as well. cool

- Nonni

* Italic sections added after publication

Posted by Jon Bjarnason 18 Feb 2014 at 15:56
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Responses to this blog

Laniseb 18 Feb 2014 at 16:40  
*gasp* It's so pretty. I really like the new logo, too.
Fairchild 18 Feb 2014 at 19:48  
HATE IT!!








jk. Looks good to me, but then I'm used to sites changing frequently. I'll give it a proper whirl soon.
Juliparker 18 Feb 2014 at 20:11  
Wow it looks so completely different. I was just getting use to this one, but this certainly looks interesting and cleaner!
Card 18 Feb 2014 at 21:57  
Initial things I noticed:

- The dropdown boxes at the top don't work like buttons (as in, you have to click one of the dropdown options to do anything). I feel it'd be more intuitive if you had the dropdown options, but you could click the button itself. So default clicking "Forums" would take you to the "Forums List," default clicking "Stories" would take you to the "Story Queue," and so on.

- The dark gray background at the top is a bit faded-looking to me, against the other colors. I recommend a sharper color contrast to make the header pop.

- The "username" dropdown at the top right corner is click-to-dropdown, instead of hover-dropdown. Nothing inherently wrong with this, but it isn't consistent with the rest of the dropdown types.
Azarial 18 Feb 2014 at 22:18  
I just noticed the who's online feature is gone I loved that feature.
Fields 19 Feb 2014 at 01:50  
I don't like people moving things around on me. Even if they made the site I'm perusing.

Ignore me, though. Just takes me some time to adapt to changes when I'm already used to something.

"I got a new hairstyle."

"Who the hell are you?!"

I followed the other blogposts and the responses. Either everyone said darn near everything I would've, or there were no radical changes that warranted a post, I felt.

The beta looks and feels very modern. Great job so far, and thanks for taking the time to give it a makeover.

That said, I'll need some time to eyeball it, stare at it suspiciously, poke it with a stick.

Quote by: Azarial
I just noticed the who's online feature is gone I loved that feature.


No. It's not gone. Might still be a little hard to find, perhaps. (Took me more than one look around the new buttons and lists even after reading.)

Quote by: Nonnib
Notification Center

In the top-right corner of all pages is your new notification center. There you can see new messages, new forum posts and other notifications. Clicking on those will give you a drop-down list with the new content.

[...]

Now it tells you about new crits and whether you have a story up for review in the public queues, as well as give you access to the online member list, but in the future this might be your interface to a general notification view telling you about new things that you might be interested in.



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That said, when I click the "View Members" option, I get a loading bar that just keeps loading. (And yes, I checked my settings to be sure I'm publicly viewable.)
Stuartc 19 Feb 2014 at 04:05  
My day job is a Java Architect. I design and build web applications for a living. I like it. It looks nice and runs smoothly on both my iPad and Surface 2.
Kids_table 19 Feb 2014 at 06:31  
I really like it. The new logo looks sharp! I actually wish the words "Critique Circle" at the top of my page were more stylized too. My only other comment right now is, again, aesthetic (you're so vain, Kids_Table). I miss the ability to customize the site, not that I loved any of the pastel-ish customization options, but I liked them better than the default prison-gray with gray-blue accents. I really love the pop of bright blue and the charcoal gray that the update adds to the top of my page.
Azarial 19 Feb 2014 at 07:09  
Oh, found it. Thanks Fields!
Scila 19 Feb 2014 at 07:18  
Sleek and cool! I still feel a bit weirded out by having the options to edit/revise/etc stories on the left side instead on the top, and I wish I could customize the width on stories, but overall, AWESOME.

Strangely, I can't seem to access the site via iPhone - the error message says the site is redirecting on a loop, not sure if that's only me.
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Hilary 19 Feb 2014 at 07:20  
I never sign out. I've got to remember my sign in details now. Oh, the workload!
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Azarial 19 Feb 2014 at 07:45  
Since the goal is device friendly; is it possible to have the report button moved to the left? The last time I used the site on my ipad I tried to like a post and it reported it instead.
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Tiaclare 19 Feb 2014 at 08:05  
The white background hurts my eyes when critiquing. is there a way for us to keep the classic light-blue background [or make it a user choice?]

I have a lot of floaters [things in my eyes that float around that disturb my vision, so the bright white also makes it worse]
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Imjustdru 19 Feb 2014 at 08:14  
I really love the changes here, ya'll. I'm going to give it an "A".
Twisted 19 Feb 2014 at 09:07  
Like it. Could there be a way of getting a bit more contrast on the screen? It's all either very white, or very pale blue.
Tiaclare 19 Feb 2014 at 09:24  
I'm thinking there's probably a reason Facebook uses the pale blue. their experts have probably selected a color that doesn't hurt people's eyes? or is softer on the visually impaired? just thinking out loud.
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Aries75 19 Feb 2014 at 09:41  
OMG SQEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

Okay, now that that's out of the way, on to more useful feedback It's a fabulous start and I love the main menu reorganization - so much cleaner, and you're right the new notification center is (especially the way it shows you a little snippet of most recent posts to threads you were watching)

However, I agree with others about their being too much white-on-white (like CC got pummeled with the same massive snowstorms that've been clobbering the East Coast ). Please do consider giving us back options to customize background colors, at the very least for the all-important crit view.

Of all the changes I've observed thus far, my least favorite has got to be this:


When you look up stories you will notice that the action menu for the story is on the righthand side when you have enough horizontal room

Sorry, but it totally screws up the view for me, throws everything off-balance, and makes my reading experience less pleasant overall See this screenshot (I greyed out text to keep story and author anonymous):

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Look how much screen real estate is wasted on the right, and how that box throws the entire story off-center (especially annoying as you scroll down). I really, really hate this and would much rather that action menu be on the top, horizontal-style, no matter how wide the screen. And speaking of screen widths, I think a max width of 1040px is too little - consider something around 1200px instead? A lot of other sites use this max-width on wider screens, and make the font a bit larger as well so lines of text don't get too long horizontally.

But like I said above, a great start, and I definitely look forward to seeing how it all shakes out in the end


Hijo 19 Feb 2014 at 09:45  
A bit pale for my liking also. I am older so that may be part of it.
I didn't care for when the forum posts changed how I had to click on each one. Drop down list, click on one. Back to the top, drop down list, bring up the next, and so on. I liked when it brought me to the page of changed posts.
I also liked it when you could see who else was online at a glance.
Drop downs work good otherwise. Critiquing works well.
I'm trying as many of the buttons as I can, so we'll see.

Hijo 19 Feb 2014 at 09:50  
Aries75,
One thing that works well for me for the issue with the action menu—and my crappy eyesight—is to hold down the ctrl key. Then tap the + key. With each extra tap your text gets bigger and fills the screen. If you make it too big, hold the ctrl key down and tap the - key.
Agier 19 Feb 2014 at 11:15  
Looks great Nonni! I do agree with some comments about needing slightly more page contrast, but IMO only a 5% increase in the background gray or something, not too drastic. Everyone's moniters are different. I love the menu bar and notification center most. The words with the logo are a bit small compared to the mark, but you know me now enough to know that I could nit pick the logo till the cows come home

xx A
Aries75 19 Feb 2014 at 12:10  
Quote by: Hijo
One thing that works well for me for the issue with the action menu—and my crappy eyesight—is to hold down the ctrl key. Then tap the + key. With each extra tap your text gets bigger and fills the screen. If you make it too big, hold the ctrl key down and tap the - key.

Unfortunately, that doesn't work (on Firefox, at any rate) - it enlarges the text, but keeps it squished within the fixed-width box: prntscr.com/2tz7ws

This is why I'd really like the Action Menu box moved to the top, so there's more screen width available for the story itself.


Hijo 19 Feb 2014 at 12:44  
I don't know what to tell you. I'm using Firefox and no issues. I use the whole screen. (Although it isn't the exact same as the old format.) I don't think it is browser specific anyway. Maybe someone smarter than me can answer.

I went back and looked. My screen doesn't come up with the action box you show in your first screenshot. Or perhaps somehow I changed how it looks?
Anybody?
Hijo 19 Feb 2014 at 12:51  
I logged out, got off Firefox, cleaned my cookies and such with CCcleaner and logged back on. I do show that action box. But, when I hold the ctrl key down and at then tap the + key the box shrinks and disappears giving me full width view.

Aries75 19 Feb 2014 at 13:00  
Quote by: Hijo
I logged out, got off Firefox, cleaned my cookies and such with CCcleaner and logged back on. I do show that action box. But, when I hold the ctrl key down and at then tap the + key the box shrinks and disappears giving me full width view.


Ah, now I know what happened - my Firefox was set to "Zoom Text Only" (leftover from an earlier test I did for another site). Once I unchecked that, the zoom behaved as you described. I still want that action box on top, though (or, perhaps it could be changed to a narrow, vertical list of icons that "floats" down the page as you read, or better still, one single icon that you can click on to expand, flyout-menu style - so, at any point when you're reading, it's easy to access the "Critique Story" option without having to scroll back up)

Laniseb 19 Feb 2014 at 14:10  
I noticed a few things.

1. When I view the beta site on my Android phone, the top banner shows up white instead of black, so I can't read the Critique Circle name or my notification area.

Also, when I visit the homepage, the white background section of the site doesn't fit on my phone's screen and the boxes, like Hot Discussions, Poll, etc., hang over the white and spill onto the blue background. I don't know if it's just an issue with my phone or not.

2. I think, like Hijo pointed out, the drop down menu for the unread forum posts gets a bit tedious after a while. Having to click the drop down menu, click one post to view, read the post, and repeat the process for the next post is not as quick and easy as the old setup. Not to mention, I'm the lazy type and don't always feel like reading every new post on the threads I'm subscribed to. In the old setup, I could see all the recent posts in one neat box and pick which ones I wanted to read or mark all as read. I can't seem to do that now.

Also, the unread posts in the drop down menu show certain sections of code, like when a person quotes another post, the unread message in the notification center shows up as [quote = username] or [url = www]. It makes it difficult to read messages.

3. I'd have to agree with the others that the white background on critiques is too bright and harsh on the eyes. I found myself squinting a couple times while reading. A gray or light blue background would help a lot.
Fictiondog 19 Feb 2014 at 14:14  
Thanks, Nonni, for all the effort you've put into this.
Azarial 19 Feb 2014 at 16:03  
Quote by: Laniseb

2. I think, like Hijo pointed out, the drop down menu for the unread forum posts gets a bit tedious after a while. Having to click the drop down menu, click one post to view, read the post, and repeat the process for the next post is not as quick and easy as the old setup. Not to mention, I'm the lazy type and don't always feel like reading every new post on the threads I'm subscribed to. In the old setup, I could see all the recent posts in one neat box and pick which ones I wanted to read or mark all as read. I can't seem to do that now.



Funny, I found the opposite. My husband is often gaming while I'm on CC and having to go from whatever thread I'm on to then loading a full new page to select a new thread, then wait for that page to load drove me batty. The drop-down allows me to see all the threads no matter where I am on the site without having to wait for an new page to load. This is one of my favorite changes due to the increased speed.

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Laniseb 19 Feb 2014 at 16:36  
Quote by: Laniseb
Also, the unread posts in the drop down menu show certain sections of code, like when a person quotes another post, the unread message in the notification center shows up as [quote = username]...

Here's a screenshot of what I'm seeing.
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Tonin 19 Feb 2014 at 19:02  
From a quick peek around, it looks pretty good.

I agree with the others that there's too much white background. The only other thing worth mentioning is that the bookmark drop-down is a little narrow. I keep moving my mouse down diagonally toward the link I want, and the drop-down closes because I fell off the narrow little icon.
Aries75 19 Feb 2014 at 19:26  
Quote by: Card
The "username" dropdown at the top right corner is click-to-dropdown, instead of hover-dropdown. Nothing inherently wrong with this, but it isn't consistent with the rest of the dropdown types.

Yes, this is something I meant to remark on earlier - I love the click-to-dropdown "username" menu, because everything stays there for me to look at until I click away. This makes the menu far more user-friendly and accessible. In contrast, hover dropdowns are pure evil for users who have mobility issues and even those who don't (because if you move your mouse even a teeny-tiny bit offcourse, bye-bye menu and you have to start all over again). This page describes the problem in more depth:


One of the worse things about hover menus is that they force users to skillfully move their mouse through hover tunnels. Hover tunnels are passages that users have to tunnel their mouse through to click a menu item. Older users who are less tech-savvy will often have trouble doing this. Even tech-savvy users can find it annoying that their mouse has to move through a confined path to click a menu item.

Yes, I know there was a lot of hovering on the old CC, but that was more for extra info (like viewing the opening paragraph of a story) as opposed to vital navigation links. I would strongly advise making the top menu items click-to-open like the NaNoWriMo site does - otherwise, the site becomes less accessible and more difficult to use, especially for users with with any kind of disability

Katamuki 19 Feb 2014 at 20:23  
One of the things I really miss is the list of who's actively online on the home page. I'm not a fan of having to go searching for that. Simply put...I won't, and I'm going to miss that sense of community.

I just started looking at the beta site so I'll have more comments later.
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Katamuki 19 Feb 2014 at 20:30  
Ok, I just tried to write a critique on the beta site and I had to stop. The white background gave me a headache in less than a minute. That's a major issue for light sensitive people...having CC induce migraines is a problem for me. On the current site there are customization options for the look of the site. Is there a way to incorporate that on the new site? So for those of us who like more grey to our backgrounds we can tweak it?
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Xc0000005 19 Feb 2014 at 20:38  
My feedback is based on laptop in landscape, tablet in both landscape and portrait (surface RT), and phone. there's a ton of wasted real estate on the sides (in current mode at least I have the side pane. On the phone, I have to scroll right/left to pick up the entire toolbar (and it's cool, so I want to see it!). The panels should scroll downward without me needing to move left/right. The top panel appears to act like a toolbar, but I can scroll it away while I'm working in story view. I'd almost expect it to stick to the top. Story reading mode isn't awful on the phone - in fact it works well, but on a laptop or in landscape on the tablet, it feels weird having all this wasted space on the left and right.
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Crease 19 Feb 2014 at 21:30  
I miss the pages of Reading View. Had a better sense of the length of a story than word count, and a sense of progressing through a story during crits.

The white background for stories doesn't bother me (prefer it in reading view), but there's a tad too much white space everywhere else. Feels hard to pick out things—like where one post ends and another begins on this page. My brain is working harder than normal. It hurts.

Otherwise, things are looking slick.
Celebcùen 20 Feb 2014 at 00:22  
Like others, I don't really like the white background, and I really miss the 'Who's online' feature on the front page.

For the rest, looks pretty cool for me
Hexate 20 Feb 2014 at 00:29  
I notice it's still using asp classic. As a web dev who has to support it regularly for my day job, you should really really really consider upgrading to a new technology. If not for ease of supporting it in the future (asp.net is awesome), then for the fact that Microsoft has not supported it for years, and has stated that their server tech will run it for only 8 more years minimum, after that they may kill it.
Nonnib (administrator) 20 Feb 2014 at 02:18  
Hi guys,

Some great feedback here. Thank you for that. It's good to see that people are generally pretty happy with the changes.

I'm going to summarize some of the issues you guys have brought up instead of replying to each one if that's okay.

Contrast of the top menu part
I've increased the contrast slightly. I agree that it looks better this way.

Click menus vs. hover menus
This is a matter of preference. I personally don't want to have to click on menu titles to look into the submenus and I don't like that part of the nano website but I can certainly see the point. I'm going to play around with doing both, where you hover over it to open it up but if you click the menu header it stays open. Maybe we can get best of both worlds here.
I decided against having it so that clicking the menu header will take you to the 'default' page for the group like it used to be for consistency (it cannot work like that on touch screen devices for example) and because it's not always obvious what the default page should be.

Moving the "who's online" list to a menu
I couldn't figure out a good place to put it with the new layout. Maybe I can make a new box in the front page where you can see this info at a glance on that page. I like that list myself and find that I'm losing the sense of 'vibrant community' from not seeing all the people online when I log in.

Unable to access on an iphone
I don't have one of those bad boys but it works good on my ipad. Those of you with iphones, can you try it out for me and see if this is a general issue?

The background and contrast
This seems to be a pretty big issue and something I will try to address. I am going to add customization options for the story view so that you can change the background color, font etc. in the story page container and I see now that I will need to add site-wide customization option for the main background color as well and maybe even a 'high contrast' option.
I'll put it on the list.

Story menu on the right - off-center story view
The reason I'm moving the menu to the right is because I need more space to put various items and I don't want them to be hidden in submenus (I get messages almost every day from people who are looking for the 'revise story' button and I need to tell them to click 'more options'). So the goal is to have all the options available at a glance.

That being said, I'll toy around with the idea of adding a story view customization option to 'fill screen' which will put the righthand menu in a drop-down menu above the main container like it behaves on smaller resolutions.

Layout issues on phones
There are some issues on phone resolutions still, especially with content leaking out of the main container and I will address those.

Visible bbcode in the notification center
Added to the list.

Screenshots
I love how you guys are posting screenshots to show me what you are referring to. It's really helpful!

Wasted real estate
I decided to go for the fixed width center container because it looks nicer and when you're reading text you generally don't want the text to fill up your entire 1920 pixels. As you've probably noticed in most places on the old site I am constraining the width and there is mostly just as much wasted real estate there, but since the content is frames at the extreme left and rights by the toolbar on one hand and an ad on the other you probably don't realize that it's happening as much.

Removal of paged reading view
The paged view was always a little difficult and didn't work very well with showing inline crits for example because you weren't able to see the comments without hovering over the paragraphs and people didn't really seem to want to keep it so I decided to toss it. Maybe we can find another way to show progression, maybe through visible page breaks every 60 lines of text or something?

ASP Classic
Yeah I know. It's tragic.
I made an attempt to move to ASP.NET a couple of years ago and ran away screaming after a couple of days. I do realize that I'm stuck with antiquated web tech but upgrading is not simply a matter of installing a new version, it will be an absolute nightmare to accomplish and in large parts a complete rewrite. So this is not a task that I'm looking forward to, but something I will need to do at some point. Considering the work it takes to move to ASP.NET I might even consider going for Django or web2py which will allow me to use python since I don't like VBScript that much.

I'll put some work into the background and story options in the next few days and gather some more feedback from you guys then.

Thanks a lot so far, keep those critiques coming!
Kids_table 20 Feb 2014 at 04:58  
Quote by: Nonnib
Removal of paged reading view
The paged view was always a little difficult and didn't work very well with showing inline crits for example because you weren't able to see the comments without hovering over the paragraphs and people didn't really seem to want to keep it so I decided to toss it. Maybe we can find another way to show progression, maybe through visible page breaks every 60 lines of text or something?

A benefit of reading view was that you could (in theory) better remember where you left off in a crit. I have an issue with this sometimes, when I'm doing a long critique or an in-depth critique in sessions. Often I have to waste a minute or two finding my place. This would never be a problem when doing a crit with pen and paper because I can mark where I left off.

With an inline critique, the best option right now is to look for the last place I made a comment. But that's not necessarily where I stopped reading, in a really good submission I might not make comments for paragraphs and paragraphs. And sometimes I don't crit like that, sometimes I make more than one pass.

Right now, my solution is to add the word 'bookmark' to wherever I leave off and look for it when I return. More than once I've forgotten to remove the 'bookmark' and confused critters. I wonder if this is an issue for other people? Some feature that could allow critters to mark their place (something that automatically goes away when the crit is submitted) might not go amiss.
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Hijo 20 Feb 2014 at 07:04  
I'm in the middle of an inline crit, I have the comments toggled, and the differentiation between the white (text) and blue (highlighted paragraph) and pink (inline comments) is almost nil. And if I tilt the screen on my laptop it is nil.
Krissy_gurl4 20 Feb 2014 at 08:03  
I've only messed around with basic functions, like forums and personal pages, as well as the home page, but overall so far I like the streamlined look. I do miss seeing who's online on the sidebar, though. EDIT: Just saw that this was discussed already.

Again, I've only been on the beta for a couple of days - and I've yet to try to crit something, but hopefully today. I think with any change to a website - especially when there hasn't been one this drastic in so long - you're going to get some push back, but we'll all get used to it. Thanks for all your work, Nonnib.
Xc0000005 20 Feb 2014 at 08:13  
So if you are doing an inline crit on a story, there's now a small marker (looks like a notepad) beside paragraphs if the "Author has recently edited". If I make a comment on those paragraphs, the paragraph turns black.
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Quote by: Nonnib
Moving the "who's online" list to a menu
I couldn't figure out a good place to put it with the new layout. Maybe I can make a new box in the front page where you can see this info at a glance on that page. I like that list myself and find that I'm losing the sense of 'vibrant community' from not seeing all the people online when I log in.


My thought would be to put this as an icon on the top next to the notifications (flag icon) showing the number on line and when you roll over have the list of who's online appear.

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Jberkowitz 20 Feb 2014 at 11:04  
I'm enjoying the new look quite a bit; in fact it has become my preferred view (and I keep forgetting and wondering why there are so few members logged on).

On thing I have noticed (and forgive me if this has been mentioned before), but the menu bar along the top does not show up correctly on my iPhone — and I look at CC from my iPhone more than anything else.

Is there any chance or are there any plans to make a mobile version of this site? Everything is fully functional on my phone, it's just tiny and I need to zoom a lot.

Thanks for all of your hard work.
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Aries75 20 Feb 2014 at 11:35  
Quote by: Jberkowitz
On thing I have noticed (and forgive me if this has been mentioned before), but the menu bar along the top does not show up correctly on my iPhone

Yes, I noticed this too - I expected the new CC to have a responsive design that automatically collapses the menus when someone's using a small screen (like the Nano site does, or Starbucks). But for the moment, the top menu doesn't change, no matter what the size of the display.

There are plans in the works to fix this, right?
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 00:59  
Quote by: Kids_table

Right now, my solution is to add the word 'bookmark' to wherever I leave off and look for it when I return. More than once I've forgotten to remove the 'bookmark' and confused critters. I wonder if this is an issue for other people? Some feature that could allow critters to mark their place (something that automatically goes away when the crit is submitted) might not go amiss.


sounds like that could be cool. I'll look into it
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 01:04  
Quote by: Hijo
I'm in the middle of an inline crit, I have the comments toggled, and the differentiation between the white (text) and blue (highlighted paragraph) and pink (inline comments) is almost nil. And if I tilt the screen on my laptop it is nil.

I've increased the contrast a bit.
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 01:06  
Quote by: Jberkowitz
On thing I have noticed (and forgive me if this has been mentioned before), but the menu bar along the top does not show up correctly on my iPhone — and I look at CC from my iPhone more than anything else.

Is there any chance or are there any plans to make a mobile version of this site? Everything is fully functional on my phone, it's just tiny and I need to zoom a lot.



I think I've fixed this now. It looks good on my wife's samsung at least. Let me know if it's okay on the iphone.

I don't have any plans to make a specific mobile version and want to use media types instead to hide/change elements based on screen size.
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 01:07  
Quote by: Knollmouse
Quote by: Nonnib
Moving the "who's online" list to a menu
I couldn't figure out a good place to put it with the new layout. Maybe I can make a new box in the front page where you can see this info at a glance on that page. I like that list myself and find that I'm losing the sense of 'vibrant community' from not seeing all the people online when I log in.


My thought would be to put this as an icon on the top next to the notifications (flag icon) showing the number on line and when you roll over have the list of who's online appear.


Yes, maybe. I'll toy around with it.
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 01:08  
The main menu is now both hover and click-to-pin, so you can click the headers to make the dropdown menu pinned until you click outside it. Let me know if this is good.
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 04:39  
Regarding the background issue. I've now added a background color selector into the settings page which allows you to switch between three different background colors. The same color also applies to the story page view.

Let me know if this helps.
Fields 21 Feb 2014 at 04:57  
I like the soft blue and am keeping it that way.

Will have to test on my HTC later. (Previously, it'd been squishy, but as you were working on it, I was waiting patiently.)

Thanks for the updates.
Celebcùen 21 Feb 2014 at 08:18  
I'm not sure I see any difference between the grey and the light blue background. They both look very 'white' to me.
Yesterday I wrote my first crit on the beta site and the white background hurt my eyes
Aries75 21 Feb 2014 at 08:59  
Quote by: Xc0000005
So if you are doing an inline crit on a story, there's now a small marker (looks like a notepad) beside paragraphs if the "Author has recently edited". If I make a comment on those paragraphs, the paragraph turns black.

Just want to confirm this happens to me as well. Screenshot here:

prntscr.com/2ui669

And I think I've figured out why - it's because the gradient background for paragraphs you're commenting on does not play nice with the notepad icon that indicates edited paragraphs:


.editedparagraph {
background-image: url("/images/edit_faint.png");
background-position: right top;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
}
.sti_sel {
background: -moz-linear-gradient(center top , #F5F5F5 0%, #DADADA 100%) repeat scroll 0 0 #303030;
}



...These two styles clash with each other, such that when you use that background image, it kills the gradient, which in turn makes the paragraph default to a solid color of #303030 - an extremely dark grey.

Now, is there a reason you've chosen #303030 as the default background color to be used if the gradient background won't work? That seems odd to me. How about changing this color to the same ending value as the gradient, i.e. #DADADA ? If you did that, the above screenshot would instead look like this:

prntscr.com/2uialj

Much better. Alternatively, you could set a background color for the .editedparagraph class.
Xc0000005 21 Feb 2014 at 09:14  
Dang! I broke out the style editor and couldn't tell. I think I'll stick to web service coding instead of HTML.
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Jberkowitz 21 Feb 2014 at 10:49  
Quote by: Nonnib
Quote by: Jberkowitz
On thing I have noticed (and forgive me if this has been mentioned before), but the menu bar along the top does not show up correctly on my iPhone — and I look at CC from my iPhone more than anything else.

Is there any chance or are there any plans to make a mobile version of this site? Everything is fully functional on my phone, it's just tiny and I need to zoom a lot.



I think I've fixed this now. It looks good on my wife's samsung at least. Let me know if it's okay on the iphone.

I don't have any plans to make a specific mobile version and want to use media types instead to hide/change elements based on screen size.

Thank you! Much better. I especially like that now it switches to a single column view. That's a big deal and solves my main problem. The only thing I notice is that bottom row of icons along the top are wrapped to make a total of 3 rows (the About CC icon is the only thing in the third row, and there appears to be plenty of room of it in the second row) and this covers up part of the page header.

Also, there only seems to be a single notification icon in the top row - the one for crits. There are no icons for forum or message notifications.

Edit: Whoops! All fixed. Wow, you're fast.

The Hint boxes seem to be wider than the rest of the page, so they extend to the right beyond the edge of the headers and the rest of the page contents. I'm looking at an active crit, and the "The author has crit preferences" box and the "Tips for critting" box both do this.


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Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 11:21  
Quote by: Aries75
...Now, is there a reason you've chosen #303030 as the default background color to be used if the gradient background won't work? That seems odd to me. How about changing this color to the same ending value as the gradient, i.e. #DADADA ? ...

Just a copy/paste error. Fixed as suggested (and increased the font size).

Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 11:36  
Quote by: Jberkowitz
The Hint boxes seem to be wider than the rest of the page, so they extend to the right beyond the edge of the headers and the rest of the page contents. I'm looking at an active crit, and the "The author has crit preferences" box and the "Tips for critting" box both do this.

Hint box width has been fixed.
Katamuki 21 Feb 2014 at 12:38  
Quote by: Nonnib
Regarding the background issue. I've now added a background color selector into the settings page which allows you to switch between three different background colors. The same color also applies to the story page view.

Let me know if this helps.



Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!

I very much prefer this. No white-space inducing migraine screen. Thank you for listening! I'm playing with light blue right now...

BTW, I hate change. Hate, hate, hate, but the new site...isn't so bad.....

I'm playing around with it on my Mac and my iphone, so I'll let you know.
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Laniseb 21 Feb 2014 at 14:13  
1. The beta's looking sweet on my Android phone. The banner shows up fine, and I can easily click on the navi bar's icons. I have to scroll horizontally to view the full page on my phone but that's no big deal.

2. I'm still in favor of a Mark selected threads as read or Mark all threads as read feature for unread forum posts. And the issue with code showing up in the notification area appears solved. Only thing now is that I'm seeing some people's signatures in the drop down menu. Here's a screenshot.

3. The new color settings are cool, but the yellow comment boxes on inline crits looks too pale now. I miss the vibrant yellow comment boxes that made a crit pop.
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Imjustdru 21 Feb 2014 at 14:46  
I just had a thought Nonni. Is there still a chance to make room for critting comics & graphic novels?
Bean60 21 Feb 2014 at 16:02  
I have a couple of questions that I haven't gotten definitive answers from in all these comments -
It sounds to me like we're going to have to sign in each time we come to CC - is that right?

Also sounds like we will have to toggle back and forth to every comment in the forums if we want to read them and/or comment - is that also correct?

I can tell that I have a long learning curve coming!
Nonnib (administrator) 21 Feb 2014 at 16:11  
I'm not 100% sure what you mean. Logging in should be exactly like it is now and reading the forums almost the same, with the exception that you click on the 'unread posts' icon at the top instead of hovering over 'threads have changed' link.

In terms of new stuff you need to learn the changes should be pretty minimal.
Xc0000005 21 Feb 2014 at 19:41  
Bookmarks lead you back to the "regular" CC site (maybe known?)
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Torchtwig 21 Feb 2014 at 20:47  
Are there still elements missing from the new version? For example, I can't find the Most Productive Members List.

My message box takes forever to load from the envelope icon. Is that because I have way too many messages in there, or is that always going to be the case? Speaking of too many messages, I also can't see any messages beyond the first twenty pages in this version. If I click on the "all messages" button in the older version, I can see all the pages of messages. (I should probably download them anyway.)

I did, however, finally finish a full crit on this new version. It was easy enough, and I did like the way it felt once I got used to it. I had no problems at all adapting to it. I appreciated the smoother feel in particular when I went to read all the crits together once I'd finished. Everything looks so clean and lined up, easy to take all the information in. So far, so good. Thank you!
Jensomeone 21 Feb 2014 at 21:05  
I don't know if you already thought of this, but an app would be awesome!

I like the beta site so far, by the way. I'm using it right now, actually.
Themedi8or 21 Feb 2014 at 21:57  
I completely agree with the complaints about the white. And in case it hasn't been said, I also had trouble - while reading my crits - differentiating between my writing and theirs. I travel a lot and tend to crit while on busses, trains, etc where the lighting can be fairly dim and I didn't even realize at first that there was ANY difference between the backgrounds. Everything just looked bright. So, consider this another vote for more contract between different types of screens.
Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 03:56  
Quote by: Xc0000005
Bookmarks lead you back to the "regular" CC site (maybe known?)


yes, some of the bookmarks have the full url of the page
Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 03:59  
Quote by: Torchtwig
Are there still elements missing from the new version? For example, I can't find the Most Productive Members List.

My message box takes forever to load from the envelope icon. Is that because I have way too many messages in there, or is that always going to be the case? Speaking of too many messages, I also can't see any messages beyond the first twenty pages in this version. If I click on the "all messages" button in the older version, I can see all the pages of messages. (I should probably download them anyway.)

I did, however, finally finish a full crit on this new version. It was easy enough, and I did like the way it felt once I got used to it. I had no problems at all adapting to it. I appreciated the smoother feel in particular when I went to read all the crits together once I'd finished. Everything looks so clean and lined up, easy to take all the information in. So far, so good. Thank you!



the top members list is accessible from the bottom of the main story list. I will put it into the main menu as well.

I will take a look at the messages issue. It's pretty tricky to make 1000's of messages optimized.

Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 04:01  
Quote by: Jensomeone
I don't know if you already thought of this, but an app would be awesome!

I like the beta site so far, by the way. I'm using it right now, actually.



I probably won't invest the time in an app and will focus on making the website itself good on mobiles.
Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 04:26  
Quote by: Themedi8or
I completely agree with the complaints about the white. And in case it hasn't been said, I also had trouble - while reading my crits - differentiating between my writing and theirs. I travel a lot and tend to crit while on busses, trains, etc where the lighting can be fairly dim and I didn't even realize at first that there was ANY difference between the backgrounds. Everything just looked bright. So, consider this another vote for more contract between different types of screens.

Added a "Dark Gray" background option. How's this?
Hijo 22 Feb 2014 at 07:14  
I don't know if this goes here or someplace else, but for the last three days anytime I try and check my nread forum posts all I get is the waiting/searching? bar.
Azarial 22 Feb 2014 at 07:53  
Dark grey is my favorite. Thanks Nonnib!
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Xc0000005 22 Feb 2014 at 09:04  
Quote by: Nonnib

I will take a look at the messages issue. It's pretty tricky to make 1000's of messages optimized.



How about a cap on the number of messages before it just switches to "You have unread messages" and the link takes you to the primary message box url? So if there's five, it shows in the drop down, if there's six, you get "you have unread messages"? All you'd need to know is unread count to switch to an optimized single link.

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Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 09:23  
Quote by: Hijo
I don't know if this goes here or someplace else, but for the last three days anytime I try and check my nread forum posts all I get is the waiting/searching? bar.

Fixed.
Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 09:24  
Quote by: Azarial
Dark grey is my favorite. Thanks Nonnib!

Good stuff.
Nonnib (administrator) 22 Feb 2014 at 09:25  
Quote by: Xc0000005
Quote by: Nonnib

I will take a look at the messages issue. It's pretty tricky to make 1000's of messages optimized.



How about a cap on the number of messages before it just switches to "You have unread messages" and the link takes you to the primary message box url? So if there's five, it shows in the drop down, if there's six, you get "you have unread messages"? All you'd need to know is unread count to switch to an optimized single link.



I've added an index to support the drop-down. It should perform nicely now.
Fairchild 22 Feb 2014 at 10:47  
Really coming along nicely. For some reason, landscape on my Samsung fits perfectly on default, but portrait is just a bit wider and I have to double-tap to resize. Not a huge problem but I noticed.
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Katamuki 22 Feb 2014 at 14:57  
Quote by: Nonnib
Quote by: Azarial
Dark grey is my favorite. Thanks Nonnib!

Good stuff.



My favorite now too!
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Katamuki 22 Feb 2014 at 15:00  
Quote by: Nonnib
Quote by: Knollmouse
Quote by: Nonnib
Moving the "who's online" list to a menu
I couldn't figure out a good place to put it with the new layout. Maybe I can make a new box in the front page where you can see this info at a glance on that page. I like that list myself and find that I'm losing the sense of 'vibrant community' from not seeing all the people online when I log in.


My thought would be to put this as an icon on the top next to the notifications (flag icon) showing the number on line and when you roll over have the list of who's online appear.


Yes, maybe. I'll toy around with it.




I would still like to see this back...
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Purplek 22 Feb 2014 at 15:01  
Re: LOGO. It might be nice if you reversed the colour on the top (the bit outside the circle) of the quill to blue?
Hijo 22 Feb 2014 at 16:03  
Two parter here. How hard would it be to have a movable header? That way you would see if something changes at a glance, and also be able to get to anything without having to scroll up every time. The second part; if it is feasible, would anyone else want that?
Fairchild 22 Feb 2014 at 17:49  
I've never liked the stalker menus, following me around the page, but eh, that's me.
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Tonin 22 Feb 2014 at 18:46  
Quote by: Nonnib
Quote by: Hijo
I don't know if this goes here or someplace else, but for the last three days anytime I try and check my nread forum posts all I get is the waiting/searching? bar.

Fixed.



I was having the same problem as Hijo. Now the new posts show up, but there's also an error message at the bottom of the popup:

[ liturR ] Microsoft VBScript runtime error: Type mismatch[ /litur ]

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Tonin 22 Feb 2014 at 21:51  
Found another: After a page loads, if I hover over a username near the right edge of the window the detail pop-up will extend out of the window, making a horizontal scroll bar appear. When the username pop-up goes away so do the scroll bars, and if I again hover over the name(or any other name) the pop-up displays in the normal way (shifted left a bit to respect the window size).

It's happening with both IE and firefox, on a win Vista desktop if that matters.
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Nonnib (administrator) 23 Feb 2014 at 01:24  
Quote by: Tonin
Quote by: Nonnib
Quote by: Hijo
I don't know if this goes here or someplace else, but for the last three days anytime I try and check my nread forum posts all I get is the waiting/searching? bar.

Fixed.



I was having the same problem as Hijo. Now the new posts show up, but there's also an error message at the bottom of the popup...


Fixed.
Nonnib (administrator) 23 Feb 2014 at 01:26  
Quote by: Fairchild
I've never liked the stalker menus, following me around the page, but eh, that's me.

I actually feel the same way. I like my page header to stay at the top of the page and not pinned to the top of the viewport.
Lilyana 23 Feb 2014 at 03:11  
Quote by: Hijo
Two parter here. How hard would it be to have a movable header? That way you would see if something changes at a glance, and also be able to get to anything without having to scroll up every time. The second part; if it is feasible, would anyone else want that?

I'd actually prefer the 'stalker menu'. It would be especially nice at the moment since the comments for this blog are creating a massive scrollbar (when read as part of the blog itself and not part of the linked forum thread). Maybe this could be another 'settings preference' to be selected... sticky menu/header or something?

Quote by: Kids_table
Some feature that could allow critters to mark their place (something that automatically goes away when the crit is submitted) might not go amiss.

I'm a big fan of this idea as well <3

Finally, big thanks for the ability to modify background color and hover+sticky menu options. Much love for the new site!

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Lilyana 23 Feb 2014 at 03:22  
Suggestion: For the main page, in the 'Reminders' section, it would be nice if the page didn't need to re-load entirely just because you dismiss a reminder. This would be a change for the old site as well, so it's not a bug... just something that became a bother to me today when I was trying to clean out reminders after my unexpected absence. Thanks for your consideration ^_^
Nonnib (administrator) 23 Feb 2014 at 03:44  
Quote by: Lilyana
Suggestion: For the main page, in the 'Reminders' section, it would be nice if the page didn't need to re-load entirely just because you dismiss a reminder. This would be a change for the old site as well, so it's not a bug... just something that became a bother to me today when I was trying to clean out reminders after my unexpected absence. Thanks for your consideration ^_^

Sounds fair, I'll put it on the list.

Aries75 23 Feb 2014 at 09:58  
An odd little formatting bug just cropped up - not sure if it's happening to others, but in certain places, my name no longer shows up with pretty Premium Gold colors

Example here: prntscr.com/2v5svd

That's the "members online" bit. The other place where I've seen it happen is if I like a forum post - my name shows up blue instead of gold.

(If this is CC's way of telling me to renew my membership, it's not set to expire until April! )

Ninja edit: I just saw it happen to someone else on the page listing crits I've received - she's definitely a Premium Gold member, but her name appears as blue instead of gold. What's weird is that all the other Premium Gold members who gave me crits earlier still have their names showing in Gold.
Nonnib (administrator) 23 Feb 2014 at 10:12  
Quote by: Aries75
An odd little formatting bug just cropped up - not sure if it's happening to others, but in certain places, my name no longer shows up with pretty Premium Gold colors...


I'm working on the hoverlink (links to stories, members, queues, books) functionality. They will be a little wonky for a while.

Bean60 23 Feb 2014 at 10:26  
I don't know whether anyone else cares, but I don't particularly like the Facebook link showing at the bottom of the screens.
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Jberkowitz 23 Feb 2014 at 12:20  
On my iPhone whenever I log in or refresh the page, it is partially zoomed in and cutting off a portion of the menu bar and page contents. I have to manually zoom out every time.
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Fields 23 Feb 2014 at 12:53  
I don't use Facebook or Twitter, but I didn't notice the links until you mentioned them.

Now that I see them, I just won't click them.

Are they more bothersome for folks who do have FB and Twitter accounts? (Guess I am not sure I understand.)
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Lilyana 23 Feb 2014 at 13:44  
Another suggestion if I may... I was wondering if you'd be willing to remove the 'on click' event to the "action buttons" found on member pages and instead wrap with anchor tags so that I can select to open these things in new windows/tabs... I'm a bit of a tab junkie =3 Also: On my desktop these action buttons show up in two (three with mod buttons) rows that are aligned right. This looks like a waste of space and does not feel user-friendly. Could the first and second row be combined as one and centered?

Here are screenshots of what I mean: Action buttons without anchor tags / Action buttons with anchor tags / Current alignment for action buttons / Action buttons placed in single row / Revised alignment for all action buttons

I know you know the code, but I hoped the screenshots might make things clearer in case you didn't know what I meant by "action buttons" or in case your screen didn't behave the same.

Quote by: Jberkowitz
On my iPhone whenever I log in or refresh the page, it is partially zoomed in and cutting off a portion of the menu bar and page contents. I have to manually zoom out every time.

I have this issue as well.

As to the Twitter and Facebook links... I actively loathe both sites, but I don't mind the links at the bottom at all. They fit in well (in terms of design) with the rest of the site so they don't look rude/obnoxious to me.
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Lilyana 23 Feb 2014 at 16:49  
This appears to be a problem on the iPhone as well and is much more of a space-hog there, so I have an image for that linked below (along with new links for the other screenshots, since the images display quite small with the previous links).

Action button placement is also an iPhone issue

Action buttons without anchor tags / Action buttons with anchor tags / Current alignment for action buttons / Action buttons placed in single row / Revised alignment for all action buttons


Nonnib (administrator) 23 Feb 2014 at 17:01  
Quote by: Lilyana
This appears to be a problem on the iPhone as well and is much more of a space-hog there, so I have an image for that linked below (along with new links for the other screenshots, since the images display quite small with the previous links).

Action button placement is also an iPhone issue

Action buttons without anchor tags / Action buttons with anchor tags / Current alignment for action buttons / Action buttons placed in single row / Revised alignment for all action buttons




Don't worry. I am yet to work on those.

Aries75 23 Feb 2014 at 17:06  
Nonnib, I just noticed what may be a new bug - when I look at beta.critiquecircle.com/queue.asp it no longer crosses out stories I've already critiqued. I'm not sure exactly when this started, but I'm pretty sure it was fine this morning.
Nonnib (administrator) 24 Feb 2014 at 03:30  
Quote by: Aries75
Nonnib, I just noticed what may be a new bug - when I look at beta.critiquecircle.com/queue.asp it no longer crosses out stories I've already critiqued. I'm not sure exactly when this started, but I'm pretty sure it was fine this morning.

Thanks, I'll check it out.
Clarksvill 24 Feb 2014 at 03:51  
I don't have time to look at it in detail, but so far:

1. I like the new logo. The top bar seems smart & modern (though comparatively boring) but underneath everything is unpleasantly plain and white.

2. Things on the front page seem double-spaced, which creates even more unnecessary white space in the white field and it takes a while to scroll down to get to buddy activity etc. (Probably not helped by the fact that the top of the screen is filled by all the new members right now.) I have to scroll eleven clicks to reach the part of the front page I'm interested in, compared to five clicks with the old page.

3. Page feels hyperactive; when small windows appear because of the mouse hovering, it makes things on the real page shift position, which makes everything move all the time when you move your mouse. Also the info windows seem to open after a much briefer hover, and are bigger and more obtrusive. Previously you had to hold the mouse still for a while before it opened and you could avoid unnecessary openings.




Nonnib (administrator) 24 Feb 2014 at 04:51  
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Quote by: Jberkowitz
On my iPhone whenever I log in or refresh the page, it is partially zoomed in and cutting off a portion of the menu bar and page contents. I have to manually zoom out every time.

I have this issue as well.

I fiddled around with the viewport preset. It looks zoomed out on my wife's samsung. Does it look okay on the iphone?
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As to the Twitter and Facebook links... I actively loathe both sites, but I don't mind the links at the bottom at all. They fit in well (in terms of design) with the rest of the site so they don't look rude/obnoxious to me.


Come on, like our facebook page... You know you want to
Nonnib (administrator) 24 Feb 2014 at 04:55  
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2. Things on the front page seem double-spaced, which creates even more unnecessary white space in the white field and it takes a while to scroll down to get to buddy activity etc. (Probably not helped by the fact that the top of the screen is filled by all the new members right now.) I have to scroll eleven clicks to reach the part of the front page I'm interested in, compared to five clicks with the old page.

eleven clicks? I'm sorry, it's been a long time since I clicked anything to scroll down webpages. What are you clicking, is this your page down button you're re referring to or the scrollbar? The 'welcome new members' is at the top right now like you say, otherwise you would be able to have the content you're interested in at the very top.
The content is generally more spaced out than it was previously and we have a bigger font. I think it comes out pretty nice.
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3. Page feels hyperactive; when small windows appear because of the mouse hovering, it makes things on the real page shift position, which makes everything move all the time when you move your mouse. Also the info windows seem to open after a much briefer hover, and are bigger and more obtrusive. Previously you had to hold the mouse still for a while before it opened and you could avoid unnecessary openings.

I'm currently working on the hoverlink functionality so it's not in its final state.
Clarksvill 24 Feb 2014 at 05:11  
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2. Things on the front page seem double-spaced, which creates even more unnecessary white space in the white field and it takes a while to scroll down to get to buddy activity etc. (Probably not helped by the fact that the top of the screen is filled by all the new members right now.) I have to scroll eleven clicks to reach the part of the front page I'm interested in, compared to five clicks with the old page.

eleven clicks? I'm sorry, it's been a long time since I clicked anything to scroll down webpages. What are you clicking, is this your page down button you're re referring to or the scrollbar? The 'welcome new members' is at the top right now like you say, otherwise you would be able to have the content you're interested in at the very top.
The content is generally more spaced out than it was previously and we have a bigger font. I think it comes out pretty nice.


When I scroll I use the wheel in the top of the mouse and it makes clicking noises, so I counted them to give you a feel of the amount of scrolling needed with the old and new pages. It's a ratio of 5:11 in terms of scrolling time. So it takes more than twice as long to scroll down to the interesting part of the front page. (Buddy activity.) I have a lot of reminders in my "to crit" list, but then that's normal for me and it's not relevant - the ratio is going to be the same whatever's on the page. Everything seemed to be pretty much double-spaced. There were big white lines of space between each crit reminder and that was causing a lot of the problem.)


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3. Page feels hyperactive; when small windows appear because of the mouse hovering, it makes things on the real page shift position, which makes everything move all the time when you move your mouse. Also the info windows seem to open after a much briefer hover, and are bigger and more obtrusive. Previously you had to hold the mouse still for a while before it opened and you could avoid unnecessary openings.

I'm currently working on the hoverlink functionality so it's not in its final state.



Kids_table 24 Feb 2014 at 05:26  
Regarding the need to scroll down, I'm on the desktop computer at work now with its nice 12"x18.5" monitor and the site looks great. But this morning I was on my netbook and all I could see without scrolling was the bar at the top, the 'Critique Circle' header text, the list of new member and one of those information boxes (reminding me to renew my premium membership). All of the fun boxes were down below.
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Clarksvill 24 Feb 2014 at 06:12  
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Regarding the need to scroll down, I'm on the desktop computer at work now with its nice 12"x18.5" monitor and the site looks great. But this morning I was on my netbook and all I could see without scrolling was the bar at the top, the 'Critique Circle' header text, the list of new member and one of those information boxes (reminding me to renew my premium membership). All of the fun boxes were down below. <br>
Yes - I'm on a desktop with a 10 1/2 by 13 inch screen and what I can see when the front page opens is a plain "Critique Circle" title with a lot of space under it, the new members thing which spreads all across the top and is double-spaced, so uses up loads of room, then I have the news section on the left (text there seems compact enough) and the hot discussions on the right (seems unnecessarily double-spaced) plus the top entry of my crit reminders and half the second. I can only see the top two options of the poll.

With the old page I can see the first eight of my crit reminders and all of the poll, plus most of who's online, and all of my bookmarked pages. The new system seems to be wasting a lot of space.



Azarial 24 Feb 2014 at 07:42  
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Quote by: Kids_table
Regarding the need to scroll down, I'm on the desktop computer at work now with its nice 12"x18.5" monitor and the site looks great. But this morning I was on my netbook and all I could see without scrolling was the bar at the top, the 'Critique Circle' header text, the list of new member and one of those information boxes (reminding me to renew my premium membership). All of the fun boxes were down below. <br>
Yes - I'm on a desktop with a 10 1/2 by 13 inch screen and what I can see when the front page opens is a plain "Critique Circle" title with a lot of space under it, the new members thing which spreads all across the top and is double-spaced, so uses up loads of room, then I have the news section on the left (text there seems compact enough) and the hot discussions on the right (seems unnecessarily double-spaced) plus the top entry of my crit reminders and half the second. I can only see the top two options of the poll.

With the old page I can see the first eight of my crit reminders and all of the poll, plus most of who's online, and all of my bookmarked pages. The new system seems to be wasting a lot of space.




I can see the hot discussions being double spaced because people who are using tablets and phones need a bit of space so that they aren't constantly clicking the wrong link by accident (happened to me all the time on the original site, and drove me batty!) But, I completely agree that the list of new members should be as compact as possible, since we aren't clicking on all their names, just glancing to see how many new people there are.
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Aries75 24 Feb 2014 at 07:46  
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I can see the hot discussions being double spaced because people who are using tablets and phones need a bit of space so that they aren't constantly clicking the wrong link by accident (happened to me all the time on the original site, and drove me batty!) But, I completely agree that the list of new members should be as compact as possible, since we aren't clicking on all their names, just glancing to see how many new people there are.

I'd like to go even further - can we please, please, please have an option to collapse the New Members list after seeing it once? We have that option for other front-page boxes, so why not new that one?
Azarial 24 Feb 2014 at 08:04  
Also, for condensing ideas, the to be critiqued list could be reduced by a third. There is the link, then a space, then the date, then another space. If the Story and date were single spaced with only a space between stories the links would still be easy to use on devices but the list would take up less space.
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Jberkowitz 24 Feb 2014 at 10:29  
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On my iPhone whenever I log in or refresh the page, it is partially zoomed in and cutting off a portion of the menu bar and page contents. I have to manually zoom out every time.
I fiddled around with the viewport preset. It looks zoomed out on my wife's samsung. Does it look okay on the iphone?


Perhaps a slight change. But it is still zoomed in on every refresh, cutting off maybe as much as a third of the screen on the right: Screenshot

I'm still getting a pop-up here and there that are wider than the rest of the page.

One other thing I've noticed, which is minor but perhaps not as you intend: on the queues page, the column widths differ from queue to queue. You can see why on the PC version of the page. On mobile versions the far right column is the Author column, and in both places they do not line up evenly — some extend farther to the right than others. On the PC version it all even out in the end because other columns are smaller to compensate, but on the mobile version, the columns are jagged. It seems like this is because the Title column is designed to stretch to fit the length of the longest title. Screenshot

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Lilyana 24 Feb 2014 at 11:17  
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On my iPhone whenever I log in or refresh the page, it is partially zoomed in and cutting off a portion of the menu bar and page contents. I have to manually zoom out every time.
I have this issue as well.

I fiddled around with the viewport preset. It looks zoomed out on my wife's samsung. Does it look okay on the iphone?

I'm not sure how perfectly you wish for it to fit the screen, but this is what it looks like now that you've made changes: New Screen Size on iPhone
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As to the Twitter and Facebook links... I actively loathe both sites, but I don't mind the links at the bottom at all. They fit in well (in terms of design) with the rest of the site so they don't look rude/obnoxious to me.
Come on, like our facebook page... You know you want to

Someday... someday =P

Edit: I saw that Jberkowitz had posted on the new screen sizing and his looked completely different from mine so I refreshed the page on my iPhone and he's totally right, it's still too large. Not sure if my sizing went wonky on its own (to get that other SS) or if you've made changes since I took it (around 10 am), but here's what I see now on that same page: On-load view of CC blog for iPhone
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Bocraw 24 Feb 2014 at 11:24  

On the beta site, in the story queues, chapters that have already been critted are not crossed out. (strikethrough.)

This is very important.

My apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Jberkowitz 24 Feb 2014 at 11:26  
Quote by: Lilyana
I'm not sure how perfectly you wish for it to fit the screen, but this is what it looks like now that you've made changes: New Screen Size on iPhone
Lilyana, is that how the page looks when you first refresh it, or after you have pinch-to-zoomed it?

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Aries75 24 Feb 2014 at 11:32  
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On the beta site, in the story queues, chapters that have already been critted are not crossed out. (strikethrough.)

This happened to me yesterday and I posted about it in this thread. For me, the problem's now fixed. Try logging out of the beta site and then back in.
Jberkowitz 24 Feb 2014 at 11:59  
Quote by: Lilyana
Edit: I saw that Jberkowitz had posted on the new screen sizing and his looked completely different from mine so I refreshed the page on my iPhone and he's totally right, it's still too large. Not sure if my sizing went wonky on its own (to get that other SS) or if you've made changes since I took it (around 10 am), but here's what I see now on that same page: On-load view of CC blog for iPhone
Nonnib, if this is helpful — my screen shot and Lylyana's both showing the same scaling are from two different versions of iPhone's iOS, and therefore Safari. Mine is 7, Lilyana's appears to be 6 or earlier.

Thanks for all you have done — this is going to be spectacular. Already is, in fact.

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Bocraw 24 Feb 2014 at 12:02  
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On the beta site, in the story queues, chapters that have already been critted are not crossed out. (strikethrough.)

This happened to me yesterday and I posted about it in this thread. For me, the problem's now fixed. Try logging out of the beta site and then back in.



Working correctly now. Thanks @ Aries75.
Bocraw 24 Feb 2014 at 17:52  
No page numbers during crit. Hard to tell how far you have to go.
Clarksvill 25 Feb 2014 at 02:51  
I'm sorry we're so fussy, Nonnib. We really appreciate everything you do. This must be a real headache.

The story/critting page seems great - it scrolls! I'm happy.
Katamuki 25 Feb 2014 at 08:30  
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I'm sorry we're so fussy, Nonnib. We really appreciate everything you do. This must be a real headache.

The story/critting page seems great - it scrolls! I'm happy.




DITTO….….and from someone who said I hated change, I've tried to change exclusively to the new site. Well, I've pretty much changed to the beta site. Change is good!

Thanks for all your hard work!


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Fictiondog 25 Feb 2014 at 14:27  
Nonnib,

I've been using the beta exclusively, and on a computer, and haven't encountered any problems. Many of the improvements really are that.

Proof that you can teach an old dog new tricks!

I'm grateful for your efforts to improve the site; thank you.


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Aries75 27 Feb 2014 at 09:59  
For the past few days, I've noticed a highly annoying hover bug on one particular page:

beta.critiquecircle.com/queue.asp

Now, if you hover over a story title, everything's fine - the blurb appears, and you're able to mouse down into it and click other links (e.g. crit story, crit reminder, etc). But if you hover over an author name, the blurb appears...and promptly vanishes the second you move your mouse and try to click anything anything within (I'm on Windows, Firefox 27.0.1 if it makes any difference).

I think the problem, however, comes from the differences in the hover link code:

<a class="hoverlink" href="queue.asp?action=lookup&index=000" t="s" i="000">Story Title Here</a> - this is for story titles, and works as it should

<a class="hoverlink" href="members.asp?lookup=000" onmouseout="StopInfo(this);" onmouseover="HoverInfo(this, 000, 1);"><span>AuthorName</span></a> - this is for author names, and it fails

Note the part I bolded in the Story title hover code - seems it should go in the Author name code as well, instead of that onmouseout/onmouseover stuff which is probably a leftover from older javascript code.

P.S. I wrote "000" in the above snippets as a substitute for the actual story and author ID numbers.
Nonnib (administrator) 27 Feb 2014 at 10:54  
Woops, missed one. Fixed now.

I haven't finished the hoverlinks completely yet so they might still be a bit wonky. Working on the member profile pages now so they will be a bit broken for a while as well..
Fairchild 27 Feb 2014 at 18:44  
Odd. Now when I try to click on any of the navigation icons (on my phone, Samsung) it just keeps registering as a hit on the home button icon.
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Scila 27 Feb 2014 at 20:23  
Story queue isnt showing propely on the iPhone. Cant see critique numbers and some genres are broken. Is that just me?
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Xc0000005 27 Feb 2014 at 21:34  
Critique numbers aren't showing in IE or FF either, so I don't think that's iphone related.

When I complete a crit, the page with the "What do you want to do next" options has the side bar links in the middle (in firefox).
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Nonnib (administrator) 28 Feb 2014 at 00:44  
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Odd. Now when I try to click on any of the navigation icons (on my phone, Samsung) it just keeps registering as a hit on the home button icon.

I cannot reproduce this on a samsung. Is this still an issue? Are other people having the same problem?

Nonnib (administrator) 28 Feb 2014 at 00:46  
Quote by: Scila
Story queue isnt showing propely on the iPhone. Cant see critique numbers and some genres are broken. Is that just me?


How are the genres broken? can you post a screenshot?

On phone resolutions number of crits and some other columns are not supposed to show up on the queue page. you should just see the story name and the author.
Nonnib (administrator) 28 Feb 2014 at 00:47  
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Critique numbers aren't showing in IE or FF either, so I don't think that's iphone related.

When I complete a crit, the page with the "What do you want to do next" options has the side bar links in the middle (in firefox).


Can you post screenshots of these two issues?
Scila 28 Feb 2014 at 05:40  
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Quote by: Scila
Story queue isnt showing propely on the iPhone. Cant see critique numbers and some genres are broken. Is that just me?<br>

How are the genres broken? can you post a screenshot?

On phone resolutions number of crits and some other columns are not supposed to show up on the queue page. you should just see the story name and the author.



I don't know how to take a screenshot, but this pdf shows the problem anyway (the difference is on this file the numbers show, but on the iPhone they don't).
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Nonnib (administrator) 28 Feb 2014 at 06:02  
Ah, ok, so the problem is that the queue tables extend a little bit extra to the right on your resolution? It should probably be hiding some of the columns on this resolution.
Jberkowitz 28 Feb 2014 at 06:03  
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I don't know how to take a screenshot
On any iPhone: hold down the power button on the top and press the home button.
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Fictiondog 28 Feb 2014 at 06:32  
I liked the "old" feature that showed how many people had looked at my posted story. It doesn't seem to be working on the beta site. Sometimes it flashes for a second, but disappears before I have a chance to read it! Sometimes it doesn't work at all.
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Fairchild 28 Feb 2014 at 08:37  
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Odd. Now when I try to click on any of the navigation icons (on my phone, Samsung) it just keeps registering as a hit on the home button icon.<br>
I cannot reproduce this on a samsung. Is this still an issue? Are other people having the same problem?



Its a Windows 7.5 phone if that makes a difference. Yeah, still not working.
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Fields 28 Feb 2014 at 11:50  
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Odd. Now when I try to click on any of the navigation icons (on my phone, Samsung) it just keeps registering as a hit on the home button icon.<br>
I cannot reproduce this on a samsung. Is this still an issue? Are other people having the same problem?



Its a Windows 7.5 phone if that makes a difference. Yeah, still not working.<br>



I was having the same problem a few days ago (HTC Titan 2), but checking now, the issue seems resolved.
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Nonnib (administrator) 1 Mar 2014 at 16:51  
My Trello board is now free of bugs and things are looking lovely.

Please let me know if you encounter any more issues.
Tonin 1 Mar 2014 at 18:46  
Yay for empty bug-lists! Unfortunately, I've got two things still outstanding.


First:
Only a minor annoyance, but I'm still having the issue mentioned earlier where the first user-details popup doesn't respect the existing window size, but subsequent popups on the same page do. (smells like a window width variable isn't getting initialized properly?)

The first one often extends out past the right side of my window, making the browser add horizontal scrollbars until the popup dies.


Second:
When doing an inline crit, the width of the story paragraph I'm adding a comment on will change slightly when I enter text into the comment box. The width of the story paragraph becomes slightly narrower, and a thin red line appears along the paragraph's right side. This happens when a keystroke hits the comment box, not when the comment box gets focus. The story paragraph returns to the way it was when the comment box loses focus, and sometimes (but not always) when you stop typing.

What makes this annoying is that sometimes the change in width is enough to force wordwrap to rearrange the story paragraph, making things jump around.


Both issues happen with IE and FF, on my Vista desktop.


Anyhow, looking very slick otherwise. Really appreciate all your hard work on this!
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Nonnib (administrator) 1 Mar 2014 at 19:16  
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Only a minor annoyance, but I'm still having the issue mentioned earlier where the first user-details popup doesn't respect the existing window size
I think bug is the same on the main site and is probably as old as time. I've put it on the main bug list.
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When doing an inline crit, the width of the story paragraph I'm adding a comment on will change slightly when I enter text into the comment box.

Fixed.

Jberkowitz 1 Mar 2014 at 19:42  
On my iPhone, when loading or refreshing, it is still zoomed in as shown in my screenshots of several days ago.
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Xc0000005 1 Mar 2014 at 21:45  
If you receive a a crit from someone and have never critted any of their stories, when you hover over their name, the popup says "User has critted 1 of your stories for both. You don't see "You have critted 0 of their stories."
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Aries75 1 Mar 2014 at 22:18  
Found a new bug It happens when you try to bookmark forum threads. A dialogue box pops up and, while it shows the correct thread title, the URL is chopped off. Instead of the actual thread address:

forums.asp?action=viewforum&index=1&thread=1064881

...all you get is:

forums.asp

...so, if you add the bookmark as-is, instead of bookmarking the thread in question, you'll just get a bookmark to the main forums page. Also, if the thread title is long, the bookmark name as it appears in the bookmark drop-down menu overflows outside the container (sorry, can't take a screenshot at the moment, but I can include one later if you want)
Fairchild 2 Mar 2014 at 14:34  
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On my iPhone, when loading or refreshing, it is still zoomed in as shown in my screenshots of several days ago. <br>


Hmm. Yeah, I get that now, too. Navigation icons work now, tho
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Nonnib (administrator) 2 Mar 2014 at 15:03  
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On my iPhone, when loading or refreshing, it is still zoomed in as shown in my screenshots of several days ago.

Hmm, I thought I had managed to hack that thing into shape.. Try it now.
Nonnib (administrator) 2 Mar 2014 at 15:04  
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If you receive a a crit from someone and have never critted any of their stories, when you hover over their name, the popup says "User has critted 1 of your stories for both. You don't see "You have critted 0 of their stories."

Can you give me an example, which user where you highlighting?
Nonnib (administrator) 2 Mar 2014 at 15:04  
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Found a new bug It happens when you try to bookmark forum threads. A dialogue box pops up and, while it shows the correct thread title, the URL is chopped off.

Fixed.
Fictiondog 2 Mar 2014 at 15:33  
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If you receive a a crit from someone and have never critted any of their stories, when you hover over their name, the popup says "User has critted 1 of your stories for both. You don't see "You have critted 0 of their stories."<br>


Yeah, but that's the way it's always been for me, even on the "old" site!

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Laniseb 2 Mar 2014 at 16:45  
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If you receive a a crit from someone and have never critted any of their stories, when you hover over their name, the popup says "User has critted 1 of your stories for both. You don't see "You have critted 0 of their stories."


Yeah, but that's the way it's always been for me, even on the "old" site!


I used to see that on the old site too. Here's a screenshot. It shows "User has critiqued 1 of your stories" twice.
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Kids_table 2 Mar 2014 at 20:53  
Yup, it's always been a little bug. If I go to my tit-for-tat list and hover over anyone to whom I owe one crit, I can see that bug.
Nonnib (administrator) 3 Mar 2014 at 01:46  
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Yup, it's always been a little bug. If I go to my tit-for-tat list and hover over anyone to whom I owe one crit, I can see that bug.

Why does no one tell me about this stuff? Fixed now (on the beta site)
Lilyana 3 Mar 2014 at 02:14  
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Yup, it's always been a little bug. If I go to my tit-for-tat list and hover over anyone to whom I owe one crit, I can see that bug.
Why does no one tell me about this stuff? Fixed now (on the beta site)

Because we love you Nonnib, and we didn't see a need to add bug reports for innocuous details on the old site? <3 But since you're making all these pretty changes to the new site... =3

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Bocraw 4 Mar 2014 at 14:03  
I just submitted a crit in the beta site. A red image appeared in the top left of my screen. It went away again when I moved on to a different page. What was that?
Nonnib (administrator) 4 Mar 2014 at 14:05  
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I just submitted a crit in the beta site. A red image appeared in the top left of my screen. It went away again when I moved on to a different page. What was that?

That's just me working. If you encounter something weird which then goes away soon after then you don't need to worry about it.
Fairchild 5 Mar 2014 at 11:04  
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On my iPhone, when loading or refreshing, it is still zoomed in as shown in my screenshots of several days ago. <br>


Hmm. Yeah, I get that now, too. Navigation icons work now, tho <br>



Still an issue. I tried log out/in and clearing cookies/cache.
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Nonnib (administrator) 5 Mar 2014 at 11:31  
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On my iPhone, when loading or refreshing, it is still zoomed in as shown in my screenshots of several days ago.



Hmm. Yeah, I get that now, too. Navigation icons work now, tho



Still an issue. I tried log out/in and clearing cookies/cache.


Ugh.. Alrighty, I'm not spending any more time on this for now. It works on android and should be fine when the iphone is on its side in landscape mode, which is a better view for websites anyways imo.
Spiritrose 5 Mar 2014 at 11:48  
Sorry if these questions have been asked before, but is there anyway to add a "stop watching thread" on the forum messages in the drop down box? The only options are reading it, replying, viewing, and mark as read.

And will we have the option to change the layout colors as with the old site? Gray is...eh.
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Aries75 5 Mar 2014 at 12:02  
Quote by: Spiritrose
Sorry if these questions have been asked before, but is there anyway to add a "stop watching thread" on the forum messages in the drop down box? The only options are reading it, replying, viewing, and mark as read.

I think someone might have mentioned this, so maybe that option will become available at some point. Right now, the only way I'm aware of to stop watching a thread is to go to the actual thread, or unsubscribe from your list of thread subscriptions (which you can get to from the "Forums" drop-down in the top navigation menu)

Quote by: Spiritrose
And will we have the option to change the layout colors as with the old site? Gray is...eh.

If you go to beta.critiquecircle.com/mysettings.asp you'll see options for changing the color scheme. I've chosen "Soft Blue." More options might become available later (I'm tempted to whip up a few quick ideas, myself, once I have some time - it would be nice to be able to change the background image as well, i.e. this thing)
Spiritrose 5 Mar 2014 at 12:25  
Yeah, I would love a soft rose, or green, or lavender. I did change it to blue, but I can barely tell the difference...and I think my problem is the dark gray header. Not liking it much (considering you can tweak the header styles in the old CC), and hope some new styles will be available. I realize though, that aesthetics come last to functionality.
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Saspencer 6 Mar 2014 at 10:47  
I'd like to see part of the CC Blog on the front page, otherwise I won't know when it changes and I will forget to look at it.
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Fairyhedge 7 Mar 2014 at 04:49  
It looks very pretty but the lines of text are really long on my screen, and pressing Ctrl + or Ctrl - only affects the text size, not the size of the whole page.

It makes it harder for me to read.

It's a nice clean look, though.
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Nonnib (administrator) 7 Mar 2014 at 06:23  
Quote by: Fairyhedge
It looks very pretty but the lines of text are really long on my screen, and pressing Ctrl + or Ctrl - only affects the text size, not the size of the whole page.

If your zoom keys only affect the text size and not the size of the entire page it usually means you have "zoom text only" checked in the view->zoom menu of your browser.
The length of the text across the page, in characters, should be very similar as it was, but the page is a bit wider and the text is by default bigger now.

Here is how this page looks for me: old CC vs. new CC

It should be a lot clearer and easier to read than before.
Nonnib (administrator) 7 Mar 2014 at 17:19  
I have now added some story formatting options which are available in the context menu to the right when viewing stories. Let me know if this is working for you guys and what you think.
Tonin 8 Mar 2014 at 00:28  
I like the new formatting options. I only changed one thing from the default, but having options makes me happy.

Also another bug: The width of the opening and closing comment boxs for an inline crit change size depending on whether the green "saved" or yellow "modified" icon is being displayed (yellow wider, green narrower).

BTW, is it easier for you if we keep putting beta bugs in this thread, or should we use the report bugs form?
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Owllady 8 Mar 2014 at 09:44  
You know what I would really really love? When a thread goes onto more than one page, increase the size of each page number and the back/forward arrows. The rest of the page, size-wise, is fine and I don't want to muck with that — but so many webpages have these really small page numbers and I often click on the wrong one.

Okay one more thing, which I have seen mentioned before so I won't harp on it. White backgrounds that cannot be customized — not good for some people's eyes. I would totally love that to be customizable.

Otherwise, thanks for working on this, Nonni
Ammonite7 8 Mar 2014 at 09:44  
I have to add, I think we are one lucky bunch that the guy who designs the site takes all our wants and needs seriously. Kuddos!
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Nonnib (administrator) 8 Mar 2014 at 11:50  
Quote by: Tonin
The width of the opening and closing comment boxs for an inline crit change size depending on whether the green "saved" or yellow "modified" icon is being displayed (yellow wider, green narrower).

I cannot reproduce this myself. Any way to get a screenshot showing the issue?
Quote by: Tonin

BTW, is it easier for you if we keep putting beta bugs in this thread, or should we use the report bugs form?


Putting them here is fine
Nonnib (administrator) 8 Mar 2014 at 11:51  
Quote by: Owllady
You know what I would really really love? When a thread goes onto more than one page, increase the size of each page number and the back/forward arrows. The rest of the page, size-wise, is fine and I don't want to muck with that — but so many webpages have these really small page numbers and I often click on the wrong one.

I increased the size a bit.

Quote by: Owllady
Okay one more thing, which I have seen mentioned before so I won't harp on it. White backgrounds that cannot be customized — not good for some people's eyes. I would totally love that to be customizable.

The main background color is customizable in your settings page. Is that what you mean?
Nonnib (administrator) 8 Mar 2014 at 11:52  
Quote by: Spiritrose
Sorry if these questions have been asked before, but is there anyway to add a "stop watching thread" on the forum messages in the drop down box? The only options are reading it, replying, viewing, and mark as read.

I'll see if I can fit it in.

Quote by: Spiritrose
And will we have the option to change the layout colors as with the old site? Gray is...eh.

It's not likely.
Nonnib (administrator) 8 Mar 2014 at 11:54  
Quote by: Ammonite7
I have to add, I think we are one lucky bunch that the guy who designs the site takes all our wants and needs seriously. Kuddos!
Aww, thanks guys.
Aries75 8 Mar 2014 at 12:01  
Quote by: Nonnib
I have now added some story formatting options which are available in the context menu to the right when viewing stories. Let me know if this is working for you guys and what you think.

Love it so far The main thing I would suggest adding (if possible) is the option to change font color. This is especially important for people who choose dark grey as the background, because they'd probably want a font color other than black (which might not stand out so well). So, maybe a choice of two font colors to start, i.e. one for light backgrounds and one for dark backgrounds?

Also, are you still working on a "full screen" option for viewing stories, or letting us put those right-sidebar menu boxes on top instead, so there isn't so much wasted screen real estate down the side? Because my only complaint with the new site vs. old is how the old one let you see stories in a wider format.
Nonnib (administrator) 8 Mar 2014 at 14:12  
Quote by: Aries75
The main thing I would suggest adding (if possible) is the option to change font color. This is especially important for people who choose dark grey as the background, because they'd probably want a font color other than black

I've played around with it a bit and inverse colors don't work really well unless they apply to the entire site, so not for now.
Quote by: Aries75
Also, are you still working on a "full screen" option for viewing stories, or letting us put those right-sidebar menu boxes on top instead, so there isn't so much wasted screen real estate down the side? Because my only complaint with the new site vs. old is how the old one let you see stories in a wider format.

I added a wide page format option for you.
Aries75 8 Mar 2014 at 15:12  
Quote by: Nonnib
I added a wide page format option for you.

Yay! Love it!

On another note, there's another major bug (or should I say, limitation) which applied to the old site as well - there's no way to get the "Thread Subscriptions" page to show every thread you're subscribed to at once, or even page through them. There seems to be some kind of baked-in hard limit as to how many threads it will list, which makes it impossible to find an older thread Like, I'd have to cycle through all the options - order by date descending, order by date ascending, order by title, etc...and still no guarantee the thread I'm looking for will show up. It would be awesome if this hard limit were removed, and we could page through Thread Subscriptions the same way we page through actual forum threads.

Nonnib (administrator) 8 Mar 2014 at 16:07  
Quote by: Aries75
there's another major bug (or should I say, limitation) which applied to the old site as well - there's no way to get the "Thread Subscriptions" page to show every thread you're subscribed to at once, or even page through them.

Fixed.

Lilyana 8 Mar 2014 at 17:33  
The beta site keeps randomly logging me off and I'm uncertain why that is, since the old site didn't seem to have this issue unless I was away for a long while or my internet took a nose-dive. I was reading this thread, went to make a move into the forums in general and it prompted me to log back in (I had to log in to get to this thread in the first place, per internet nose-dive). Among those who leave themselves signed in at all times, are there others who are experiencing an increased frequency in log-in prompts?
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Tonin 8 Mar 2014 at 19:07  
Quote by: Nonnib
Quote by: Tonin
The width of the opening and closing comment boxs for an inline crit change size depending on whether the green "saved" or yellow "modified" icon is being displayed (yellow wider, green narrower).

I cannot reproduce this myself. Any way to get a screenshot showing the issue?


I was unable to reproduce it today, either. Sorry to bug you with something that was apparently transient.
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Mariaxuxas 8 Mar 2014 at 20:48  
Got the background color changed but cannot find the button to click to make font size larger. Granted, I'm not well-versed in computer-ese but it would be nice to know. Thanks much.
Hijo 8 Mar 2014 at 21:07  
Hello, Mariaxuxas,
I don't know if they have the font button anymore. The easiest way to increase your font is to hold down the ctrl key then tap the + sign. Each tap increases the size a little more. If you go too far hold down the ctrl key and tap the - key.
Azarial 8 Mar 2014 at 22:38  
If you're talking about while doing a critique, then it's on the small menu on the right hand side. That is where you can change background colour, full screen mode, text size and font.
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Nonnib (administrator) 9 Mar 2014 at 03:22  
Quote by: Lilyana
The beta site keeps randomly logging me off and I'm uncertain why that is, since the old site didn't seem to have this issue unless I was away for a long while or my internet took a nose-dive. I was reading this thread, went to make a move into the forums in general and it prompted me to log back in (I had to log in to get to this thread in the first place, per internet nose-dive). Among those who leave themselves signed in at all times, are there others who are experiencing an increased frequency in log-in prompts?


This should behave like it does on the main site since I haven't been touching this logic (that's not to say that it's impossible). I think this is probably because there are so few people on the beta site so the application pool in the server is getting recycled more frequently.

Do you have 'remember me' checked? It should be logging you in automatically if you get logged out.
Jberkowitz 9 Mar 2014 at 06:02  
The zoom issue on my iPhone seems to be solved. It is now perfectly useful on the smaller screen. Thanks for all of your efforts.
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Lilyana 9 Mar 2014 at 06:13  
I think the 'remember me' fixed my issue. I checked that box yesterday evening on a whim, and I don't think I've had to manually log in since. Thanks <3

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Hijo 9 Mar 2014 at 07:01  
Quote by: Azarial
If you're talking about while doing a critique, then it's on the small menu on the right hand side. That is where you can change background colour, full screen mode, text size and font. <br>


I've noticed when I actually go into a critique, Crit Story, that all those options disappear for me. Anyone else noticed this?
Azarial 9 Mar 2014 at 07:38  
They disappear when you select full screen mode but there is an icon near the top that will bring them back.
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Hijo 9 Mar 2014 at 08:18  
Quote by: Azarial
They disappear when you select full screen mode but there is an icon near the top that will bring them back. <br>


I looked, but I don't see anything.

Nonnib (administrator) 9 Mar 2014 at 08:21  
Quote by: Hijo
Quote by: Azarial
If you're talking about while doing a critique, then it's on the small menu on the right hand side. That is where you can change background colour, full screen mode, text size and font.



I've noticed when I actually go into a critique, Crit Story, that all those options disappear for me. Anyone else noticed this?


The story formatting options are not available in the crit story window but formatting does still apply for the most part I think.
Nonnib (administrator) 9 Mar 2014 at 09:23  
I think the new site is ready for the grand unveiling.

I've published a short blog with some of the most common questions people might have. Can you guys look this over and tell me about other questions that people who have never looked at the beta site of this thread might have?

Here it is: beta.critiquecircle.com/blog.asp?blogID=120

Almost there!

Thanks

Mariaxuxas 9 Mar 2014 at 09:25  
Hijo, you cannot imagine how helpful that was. Have been having some trouble with my eyes of late and haven't been on the site all that much. This new tip gives me hope.

The button furthest to the right on the crit page just gave me an option to change the background color as far as formatting, but as long as I have that Ctrl and that +, I'm in business.

Thanks again, Maria
Aries75 9 Mar 2014 at 09:45  
Quote by: Nonnib
I've published a short blog with some of the most common questions people might have. Can you guys look this over and tell me about other questions that people who have never looked at the beta site of this thread might have?

In the "Why did you need to change all the stuff?" section, there's a typo:


The new layout looks really good on mobile phones, tables and desktops.

Should be "tablets" (though given the word "desktop" comes right after, I don't blame you for being in a "furniture" state of mind )

As for what you cover in the post, the only big omission I can think of is all the other wonderful stuff the Notification Center can do (e.g. giving you super-quick access to your crits in progress). Heck, the Notification Center is my favorite thing in the redesigned menu - it deserves to be bragged about! You might also consider a screenshot of the forum post drop-down as well (i.e. the speech-bubble icon)
Nonnib (administrator) 9 Mar 2014 at 09:50  
Thanks, will fix and add. hmpf, just noticed that the blog editor doesn't work on my ipad. That's annoying.
Lilyana 9 Mar 2014 at 11:52  
Love it. My favorite FAQ was: "Can you let people choose to use the old page? I'm afraid not. This look is here to stay and the old look is gone forever." For some reason that made me giggle. I'm sure it would have been asked a bunch if it had not been addressed though. Great job with this new build, it looks fantastic. Thanks, also, for making yourself so available to those tooling around on the beta site and submitting feedback. Three cheers from me for everything!

~Lils
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Fairchild 9 Mar 2014 at 12:18  
On landscape on my phone, the Last Post By column runs out of bounds on the list for hot discussions, taking the page navigation with it. All other forums have 4 columns Hot Discussions has 7. Maybe kill the likes column?
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Nonnib (administrator) 9 Mar 2014 at 13:36  
Quote by: Fairchild
On landscape on my phone, the Last Post By column runs out of bounds on the list for hot discussions, taking the page navigation with it. All other forums have 4 columns Hot Discussions has 7. Maybe kill the likes column?


Fixed.
Fairchild 9 Mar 2014 at 14:21  

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Saspencer 10 Mar 2014 at 08:39  
I got a message to download Inbox Viewer, and then Firefox blocked it. Is it safe, did I get hijacked?
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Lilyana 10 Mar 2014 at 09:04  
Quote by: Saspencer
I got a message to download Inbox Viewer, and then Firefox blocked it. Is it safe, did I get hijacked?
I'd never heard of it, so I did a bit of digging for you. It would appear that Inbox Viewer is a pop-up from an add on the site. It is unrelated to CC so the fact that Firefox blocked it is fine (in fact, it's probably a good thing... looks like that might be a rather garbage popup); this will not hinder your ability to use the site in the least.

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